Style Has No Size: Carlijn Cornelisse on Building Mr. Main Man

Host Richard Jones meets Carlijn Cornelisse — Dutch menswear designer and founder of plus-size brand Mr. Main Man — for an inspiring conversation about fashion, confidence, and filling a gap the industry has long ignored.

Carlijn shares her journey from a creative upbringing in Eindhoven, through seven years designing for international brands, to launching her own studio in 2019 and eventually founding Mr. Main Man. Unlike brands that simply scale up a medium, she builds every garment from the ground up using real measurements and premium fabrics in sizes XL to 5XL, guided by one belief: style has no size.

Along the way she dishes out practical style advice for plus-size men, reveals her number one wardrobe staple, and calls out the most common fit mistake bigger guys make. The conversation ends on a genuinely moving note — a reminder that when clothes finally fit who you are, the confidence that follows can change everything.

Shop at mrmainman.com and use code MRMMFRIENDS for a 15% listener discount.

The Bear World Podcast is the companion to Bear World Magazine, the world's only lifestyle magazine for the global bear community. Read more at bearworldmag.com 

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:08

Welcome to another great episode of season two of the Bear World Podcast, the companion to BearworldMag.com, the magazine for bears, cubs, chubs, and chasers everywhere. Now in its 13th year. I'm your host, Richard Jones. Now, this week we have a very special guest, uh, the wonderful Carolyn Cornelacy. Um, I hope I get that right. I know that she'll correct me if I didn't. Um she's wonderful. Um, she's a menswear designer and entrepreneur with over a decade of experience in design and product development. After seven years working for retail and wholesale brands, she launched her own design studio in 2019, driven by a desire to work more creatively and across a wider range of projects. Spotting a long overlooked gap in the market, she went on to found Mr. Main Man, a modern menswear brand built specifically for plus size men, offering stylish, well-fitting wardrobe staples in sizes XL to 5XL, where most brands simply scale up a medium. Carlin builds from the ground up using real measurements and premium fabrics, with a simple but powerful belief at the heart of it all, because style has no size. Wonderful. Carlin, welcome to the Bear Wool Podcast.

SPEAKER_00 1:23

Thank you for having me, Richard. You actually pronounced my name perfectly, right? So that's a good start.

SPEAKER_01 1:30

Fantastic.

SPEAKER_00 1:31

I'm really it's beautiful to hear you uh describe me like this. It's it sounds yeah, impressive. Uh if I have to say, well, you are.

SPEAKER_01 1:38

I mean, that you know, you are impressive.

SPEAKER_00 1:44

Yeah, it's uh it's funny to hear someone talk about you, uh about you. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:50

Anyways, I'm sure, especially when you kind of compact it all into that one moment. Uh exactly, exactly. It's um, I mean it's kind of why I wanted you on the podcast. You know, I I we've talked a little bit, and obviously we're we're all about Mr. Main Man uh on Bearwald Mag. Um but yeah, I just I to me you're not just somebody making plus size menswear. You you bring a passion um that I just wanted to explore and kind of I wanted people to understand the woman behind the brand, you know, um the brain behind the brand, the you know, the person that's bringing that experience and looking to do something different. Um, you know, as big boys, we we have brands that try and look after us, and some get it right, some get it half right, and some don't at all. So um it's lovely to talk to you about that. But uh, you know, we um we interviewed you on Bewel Mag uh a few months ago now. Gosh, the the year has run away. But I I wanted to know you. Yeah, yeah. Um, and I know we talked a lot about the brand and and fashion, etc. But I really wanted to on on the podcast, uh I wanted to dive into a little bit more about getting to know you, a bit more a bit more about you and your background and your life. Um so yeah, I mean we'll talk about Mr. Main Man in a little while, but um kind of the the the first question I want to throw at you um is tell me about you. Where are you from? Where did you grow up?

SPEAKER_00 3:18

So it's um I'm from the south of Holland from Eindhoven. Um after many years, um I moved back to here to Eindhoven again. I spent some time in Madrid and Paris and Brussels. So um it's interesting to be back in the city where I'm uh where I grew up. Um and uh before like well, before six months ago, I spent three years in Madrid. Um uh basically just uh exploring new cultures, new people, uh adventures, and working freelance and remote. Um that was a perfect opportunity and the perfect mix of traveling around and uh and exploring life like that. Um, but Mr. Mayman brought me back to uh Eindome right now as well. So uh that's it. Um and yeah, I've lived here um as a as a child, but yeah, as a grown-up, I moved around a lot basically, always eager to find new cultures and new um yeah, new people and and new experiences as well.

SPEAKER_01 4:29

Wonderful, wonderful. I mean, was fashion something that was part of your life growing up? Were were you in a fashion world or inspired by people when you were growing up?

SPEAKER_00 4:39

As a not necessarily fashion, to be honest. Um, I come from a very creative family. My mom is has always been very creative in making clothes, but also dolls and any um and a lot of these kind of uh these kind of things. So we always, me and my sister and brother always have been uh creative from an early age. And only when I was in high school, I started more focusing on clothes and um yeah, as a way to express yourself and push boundaries and um uh I don't know, shock a little bit sometimes as well.

SPEAKER_01 5:19

I love that. Well, wait what did you do to shock people? I love it.

SPEAKER_00 5:23

Oh my god, I was I used to wear high heels, like like uh 15 centimeters, about six inch, seven inch high heels all day. And I'm a very tall woman, so it was uh it was quite shocking for many people. I loved it. Um yeah, I love that.

SPEAKER_01 5:40

I love that.

SPEAKER_00 5:42

Yeah, so that's uh that's where it started, and um, of course, um you can do a lot of things in life, and being creative was always something that I came back to. Whatever I wanted to be in high school, you always come, I always came back to uh wanted to be more creative, and um so I studied fashion. So um yeah, I went to the academy and um and focused only on fashion, which is um uh a beautiful subject, but also again uh very specialized. So um as much as I love it um now, being also more of an entrepreneur is something I uh I enjoy as well, after so many years just on fabrics and fit and uh details now. Um widening my uh I don't know my my horizon a little bit like that is a is good for me as well, I feel.

SPEAKER_01 6:40

Well, well, yeah, I mean you've got the business the business of it to to to think about as well, which which is always it's always another another layer, isn't it? Um yeah. And I mean you you talk about design, but you know, do you have a passion for other kinds of design from your background, even though that's not what you're doing now, but do you do do you do other design kind of things?

SPEAKER_00 7:00

Yeah, like um in my uh spare time I'm um knitting a lot on a knitting machine. So um it's a very different approach than the designing and the building collections and as a professional. So I'm currently knitting uh a sweater for my uh for my boyfriend. Um, it's a bit late. I mean it's May and I never finished on time.

SPEAKER_01 7:25

But I guess it's for the excuse. When did you start it?

SPEAKER_00 7:32

Well, um I started quite a long time ago, quite a few months ago. So um yeah, things go in the way, and and it's obviously a different uh um a diff more difficult process than you uh than you imagine. So I do these kind of things and um I work with my mom on on printing on scarves and things like that. So um very hands-on, very um creating, yeah, yeah, wonderful, very uh much more like that. Um and yeah, that's it. I play a little bit instruments and things like that, which is a very different creative, but yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:09

Yeah, you you very well rounded, very well rounded. Where did you study? Where did you study?

SPEAKER_00 8:15

I studied in this most south city in uh Holland. It's the uh Maastricht, it's all the way down the south. Yeah, we have a little leg in uh in Holland and it's there, yeah. It's a very um, it's an academy focused um very much on craft. So the weaving, knitting, the construction of garments um was a really a big part of my uh education.

SPEAKER_01 8:39

Wonderful. Do you in your, I mean, obviously you're in Europe and you studied in Europe. So do you I mean, do you feel there's a difference between the attitude in Europe to clothing and fashion than there is to say the USA?

SPEAKER_00 8:55

Um I would say yeah. Um already the the maybe even the history of of Europe um having uh centuries of history in clothing and in um cultures mixing through um some part of Asia uh being mixed into Europe, even the North African cultures uh moved into Europe for some time. So you have this kind of mix of a lot of different uh cultures and heritage and history, where maybe the US is more um focused on comfort and um also style, but in a very in a in very their own way, I would say. It's a very um it's quite separate from from Europe, which uh which makes it unique and um quite interesting as well. Like yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:53

Great. Great. Um I mean you I mean you worked saying that you have worked for some kind of international brands. Uh we won't name them. Um, because I'm gonna ask you, are there any secrets from that fashion world that you can share with us? Anything that we might be wonderful or not, but but that's a secret, you know, to the to us all ordinary non-fashion folk.

SPEAKER_00 10:19

I don't want to break any NDAs, but you know, is there any no no no no no we'll know no names or no brands, nothing a secret. Um it's um um I would say we as fashion people um we tend to design for um for our clients in the sense that they can choose what they of course feel fits to them or not. But somehow we have a little bit of a secret to um to guide you directly the way that we want you to wear the outfits. There's not uh only the very creative people take uh some piece and mix it in their wardrobe and be um be very expressive in their own thing. But a lot of brands they manage to guide the the people much uh much more than they I think they realize. Um and um yeah, a secret. I I mean it's not so much of a secret, but for us, for me as a designer, but for product developers, a piece of clothing, there is so much heritage and there's a lot of uh thought behind it. A shirt is not just a shirt, uh, but if you start looking at it, there's elements that have huge history and um have huge impact on the fit. And for someone who's just wearing a shirt, they're not aware of why there is the back panel or why there's only so many clock buttons on a shirt or things like that. So these kind of secrets, um yeah, they're not that big. I mean, we're not such a secret society, but it's something um you get a ready-made garment, but before you're there, um there's a lot of uh heritage and and history in there. Right.

SPEAKER_01 12:08

Right. Well, well, it's interesting because I'm my next question was going to ask you, and it kind of follows on naturally, actually. You know, we're devil wears Prada is everywhere right now. So if if if someone's listening to this in the future, we're currently in May 2026 when the Devil Wears Prada has just come out. Uh Devil Wears Prada 2 has just come out. Um and it's interesting because some of the stuff in the original movie talked about that kind of she wasn't just wearing that colour because it was you know, there's there's a line of something that gets you to that point of that sweater in that colour. Um is there anything else you think the devil wears Prada either movie? If you I'm assuming you've seen the second one. Have you seen the second one?

SPEAKER_00 12:48

Not yet. I was supposed to go last week, but so don't spill anything.

SPEAKER_01 12:52

I won't. Okay. Well let's I mean let's focus on the first one.

SPEAKER_00 12:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:57

I think the first one's to me, I love them both, but I think the first one's the perhaps the most interesting because it's where you meet everything and you you dive into that world as it was then. Um, do you feel as that they got a lot right? Is there anything you feel they got wrong? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:12

I feel like we uh um quite often um we would still think about it's not we are not living the devil where Sprada, like we need to calm down. Some like um a big part of uh of the the time I've been working in fashion is it's been like the level of stress and the pushing and the deadlines and the impossible um amount of changes after a meeting and and things like that. That reflects a little bit uh the way the Devil Breath Prada first movie is like that. But um then again, the second sentence always is, but we're not saving lives. Like it's some kind of like a storm that we create as fashion designers around us, but we're not saving, I mean, there's no we're not uh whatever, negotiating uh a war, uh end of a war or something. It's all in our own head, and we're making ourselves uh crazy a little bit that way. Um and somehow it's great to be a little to be that passionate and that driven and and um a little bit of the hysteria to it, uh, but it's not sustainable to work like that and to live that life. Uh um that's where uh the the level of fast fashion is impossible to keep up with uh as a consumer, but also as a designer. Yeah, to develop a product, you need a proper amount of time. And uh yeah, yeah. Um somehow we've been trained as designers that some we are only successful once that deadline comes really close. If you give me an extra month, I usually don't take that month, I just push it the same, uh use the same amount of time that I used to have.

SPEAKER_01 14:54

I think we're all a bit like that, actually. You know, it's it's all different industries, I think, have that same problem. Exactly. You know, if I've got a deadline for an article tomorrow and then you suddenly get given a week, you're right. I'm I'm not writing it tomorrow and giving myself the week to rest. I'm like, oh, I'll do that next week. You know, we I think we're all we're all a bit like that.

SPEAKER_00 15:12

It's it's like that, yeah. So so they were completely right. Devil Wars Prada was was very spot on onto that. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:20

What what's your I'm gonna you know talk a bit more about your work with Mr. Main Man, which you founded. So we don't you don't just work there, it is your company. You founded it, it's it's it's exactly, yeah. Yeah. Um what what is your approach to design? I mean you're you're designing for men, men only, and you're designing for bigger men. So what what's your what's your starting point?

SPEAKER_00 15:43

Um so uh the starting point for for all my clothes, also even the clothes I wear myself, it's it's very much somehow the idea that um you can tell on the outside what you feel like as of today on on Thursday or whatever, uh on the inside. So it's kind of your own your subconscious that's expressing on the uh on the outside. If you don't feel really confident today, you might wear a darker color, or if you feel super happy, uh you wear your florist floral dress. So that's a starting point. And then um as a as a bigger, uh well, I'm a taller woman, most very tall as a Dutch woman in general, but very tall even for a Dutch woman. So finding clothes that fit your style and are made for you and designed for you is been a topic also in my daily life.

SPEAKER_01 16:38

Right.

SPEAKER_00 16:39

Um, and um not being able to express yourself is a huge issue, and it's holding you back. So my starting point in general is always um, what can what kind of impact has my design on the world, and how can I um um help someone, give someone the opportunity to express themselves that way? Um fashion in itself is a very non-inclusive um part of our society somehow. The fan from the catwalks to um to clothing shops that sell only a certain amount of clothes based on a certain amount of body type. So um, of course, uh as a designer, I also worked for those brands, and you have to earn your money. And the older I got, the more um yeah, the more I wanted to use my skills as an impact. So working as an independent freelancer, I already had more um choice in uh clients, and um yeah, starting my own brand was a huge part of that.

SPEAKER_01 17:48

Great, great. Well, I mean, we love that you did, we really do. So thank you. Um what do you think is important for any man um to have in his wardrobe these days? I mean, we you know there was a time when we all wore lots of suits, but that that that's you know, things have changed. You know, what what's the most important thing we should have now, do you think?

SPEAKER_00 18:08

Um I would say um actually a shirt. So um because you want to dress up sometimes and be more casual the other times, of course, suits is how uncomfortable can they be? Unless you make a suit direct only constructed for you, specifically your body. It might fit, you know, it maybe a tailored Prada suit works for everybody. Um, but the shirt gives you the opportunity to uh dress down and dress up. So it's very versatile that way. I like that. If you wear it with your chino, your shorts, whatever you do, uh from day to night, that kind of um uh versatility is needed. If you have anything, that would be a good uh a good item.

SPEAKER_01 18:55

Fantastic. And just to give a quick plug, there's some wonderful shirts at Mr. Main Man from XL to 5XL. Um, but you do have, I mean, you do have some great stuff. So you know, I it's it's lovely to see. Um, and again, you've got a your range is is very um, as you said, you can dress it up and dress it down. I like that. I like I think that's that's that's great.

SPEAKER_00 19:17

Um also combine with all those pieces you already have in your wardrobe. I I I don't think that once you found a brand, you need to uh push everything you already have away. And only, of course, I would love if you're only wearing Mr. Main Man, but it's not I mean this is not reality.

SPEAKER_01 19:34

So one day that's that's one day, I know. I love it. Um I'm gonna I'm gonna throw some crazy kind of almost quickfire. I mean, not you know, they're not one word, but um I think we've I think we've uh answered this one, which was uh the wardrobe staple for every man. So I think that's the same question, really. Um but what's the biggest style mistake that plus size men kind of make all the time and how do we fix it?

SPEAKER_00 20:06

Um I think a lot of bigger guys think they're much bigger than they actually are. So they would size, wear a size that um they feel fits them without trying a size smaller. Um and um I think the biggest idea is that if you just have a huge piece of fabric around you, you're not you're kind of hiding your your body size, huh? Where that only makes you bigger and it's not fitting, so it's only making uh yeah, aesthetically also not um a pleasing outfit that way. So I I would say that, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:46

Love that, love that. I I would agree. I think we've all guilty of putting on the bigger the bigger shirt at some point. Um, this is just a bit of fun. If you could dress any famous man in Mr. Main Man, who would it be and why?

SPEAKER_00 21:02

No, you will you will discover one of my biggest flaws is that I cannot remember any names in general.

SPEAKER_01 21:11

I'm the same actually, so we're in good company. We're in good company.

SPEAKER_00 21:15

But I was I was I'm re-watching the modern family these days again. It's back in our commercial in our um in our comedy central uh um channel here. What's the art? What's the name of uh of um of the actor of what's his name?

SPEAKER_01 21:32

Um I know I'm I'm looking it up because I can't remember either. Um and but we will get to it because I know who you mean. He's um uh it's called uh the actor is called Eric Stone Street. Um Cameron, that's him, Cameron.

SPEAKER_00 21:50

Great, yeah. He's yeah, I love it. Um he's dressed very well in the series, to be honest. Um, and they did a really good job. Um

SPEAKER_01 22:00

But yeah, um yeah I mean yeah he I mean he was always in a fan and interestingly here we go he was always in a great shirt exactly always in a great shirt exactly even as it when he was casual it was still like a fantastic shirt with a sleeve slightly rolled up or something so yeah yeah he was dressed always yeah he was dressed always very nice or is dressed very nice properly and um what I always find uh specific for for for plus size men and even also women in in movies and series they're often made fun of or slightly characterized as slightly ridiculous or and as much as Cameron is a humoristic role and he plays uh Eric plays it Eric now I forgot his name again Eric Stone Street Cameron is a character Cameron Eric Stone Street of course he has a lot of uh humor as well and and it's a fun character um they take him serious as yeah it's uh it's a it's a good character in the series it's rounded it has fully uh developed as well very often it's just the funny plus size guy in the corner kind of uh I think yeah I think you're right I think it's interesting that yeah he it wasn't he wasn't the butt of a joke I mean he as you said he was humorous and and the the inch and the interaction of the two characters that I I think it's interesting that it it's one big guy and his partner wasn't big and yeah that you know that that happens a lot more than than the media would let you think uh exactly um when you think of Mike and Molly the other American show with big people in there were both big um but I think it it it that's not just how big people are you know some obviously not no completely you know and I think we all know that but it's interesting that that they really showcased it um as that being a completely not a weird thing you know that was never mentioned it was never oh my god why are you with a bigger guy or why are you with a smaller guy like it was it was they were just a couple and and a and a great couple we know very my husband and I laugh because we we as a couple not necessarily but what they look like but as a couple some of the things they do we would go oh my god that's us that is so us that is us a bit so we we we do we love that show for that too um yeah I if what's the not necessarily the clothing itself but what but in terms of style what have what have most men refuse in terms of advice on style refuse to take but we really need because I'm sure I'd need it too but in general I but that's also very personal to me please don't put shirts and t-shirts in your pan like don't tuck them in.

SPEAKER_00 24:49

Okay if I like if if there's like not like of course there's there's always uh exact like there's always um examples where it does work well but usually my boyfriend he's he's also a bit older so maybe that's also something from his childhood I don't know but if I'm if I don't look at it like if I'm quickly turning my head he would just put tuck everything in and have this huge belt on top well that I mean yeah I think you're growing up it can work but it's it's it's not a it I think when it's deliberate it works let's say it like that.

SPEAKER_01 25:27

I was just gonna say it's it's that kind of I think as men we do the same thing it's shirts and it's trousers right that means tucked in that means about I mean there's all that you know rules around when you wear a belt the color of a belt with your shoes and all you know so I think we get in that kind of this is the right thing to do and I think we struggle to kind of be a bit more expressive a bit more well actually I'd love to do this without tucking it in.

SPEAKER_00 25:54

I mean my yeah my husband's the same sometimes I you know um I guess I am I'm always I'm always like is it in is it out is it in what do you think you know you you end up having a battle with yourself about that decision you know yeah and I and I can imagine as as bigger guys um untucked it sounds like it's often it's also more fabric so it's it feels like oh I'm I'm now bigger I'm seeming I seem to be bigger even than uh than I'm than I am yeah yeah but it depends on the shirt too some shirts are short enough that it kind of works to be out but some are so long you've got to tuck it in because it's it would be look ridiculous.

SPEAKER_01 26:31

Yeah they forgot to yeah they forgot that bigger men don't grow taller as well indeed yeah so yeah totally that's the funny isn't it the funniest thing in the world I think that's the I think I think since starting Bible magazine one of the biggest things I've always wanted to showcase and I've had certainly the beginning it was such a struggle but to really showcase brands and fashion um and showcase that men could look good whatever style they were in but that they had options uh and even the big and tall brands back in the day um I won't mention anybody on this but um some very famous big and tall brands who have wonderful big and tall clothing you know it it it's not even you know clothing's lovely but did not want to showcase those clothes on actual big models um it was all of what I I think you is it like flat photography where you like fold a t-shirt and you put it on a table and you photograph it's yeah and I'm like that's not inspiring a big man to look good in that t-shirt you know no but I mean uh even today this is the case Richard sorry to interrupt you but no yeah even the plus size uh websites they have regular size models showing uh a size medium or whatever how am I supposed to imagine as a bigger man how it would look on on you how can yeah yeah and somehow in in Holland with the taller brand of course Dutch people are the tallest in the world so we have okay brands that are just tall just so we have three different lengths of t-shirt somehow yeah so they manage completely to keep the fit right and just change the length but somehow when it's about bigger men the the the the more curvy men we tend we forget all about it and just um enlarge any the sleeves and the length and just uh increase sizes on that but yeah the Dutch uh brands on toll for tall guys um really do a good job to be honest yeah great great yeah no it I mean it's changed it's evolved I mean we've been around 13 years now and the whole plus size fashion world it has changed I mean it you know it it is I think the great thing is that it isn't just the the the kind of the international brands that are doing it as a kind of afterthought it you know it people like you really that's your reason to exist and I think we I think that's something to be championed and I think you know we need we need people like you and brands like you looking after us. Um and I I I find it interesting that you're not a big man but you're a tall woman so you have a perspective that's a little bit different but is similar experience in that kind of where your mind is at I and I love that. And I love that you're that you don't have to be a big man to see the need. So thank you for that just personally thank you for that um it's really lovely to be chatting to somebody like you 13 years later when this is the kind of thing I've always wanted to talk about. Yeah because you know b big men we don't always feel good about ourselves and I think fashion and clothing and style is a way to is a way to do that. You know I mean like seeing Eric so Stone Street looking great you know without talking about it.

SPEAKER_00 29:40

Like we never said oh he's a big man isn't he getting away with looking good no he just looked good and you know it's what we're aspire to do with our content around fashion always um my god we've we've galloped along uh I got two more quick questions and and uh uh the first one and this can be personal it doesn't have to be about anything but if you had to build a perfect outfit for a bigger man or a man going on a first date what would it look like for you or what do you think we should be doing or not the first date um first I would pick something that actually that you um that you feel comfortable in even if it's the most boring outfit in your closet but not feeling comfortable in your your body constantly tucking everything I think that that's distracting and obviously not showing your great personality that you obviously are so that's the first thing um and I would first of all also stay with your own style don't ask someone to dress you up and you're in a suit where you never wear a suit things like that. Right. And personally I always love a man in um in a long sleeve polo and maybe a bit more color as well. So dare a little bit to be uh maybe wear my bright blue like I'm wearing today or yeah that's something like that. But keep it yeah keep it close to what you usually wear because the first dates you just want to be uh you want to show who you are and not what kind of yeah love it extreme yeah specific version of yourself or or someone that um um forces itself himself into something that he's not I love I mean if if I think about all the first dates I went on that's the main thing uh with men I sometimes uh yeah okay that sounds like I've been uh I've been don't worry so you're in good company we're good we're good we're good you have to go through a lot of frogs to find the prince I guess is is is that's the truth that's the truth yes that's true and this is gonna be a crazy but my last question if Mr.

SPEAKER_01 31:57

Main Man were a person who would he be hmm a famous person but what who is that man who's the who's the Mr.

SPEAKER_00 32:08

Main man who I would I always think about this Mr. Main Man walking into a room and um um demanding presence basically like giving like taking his his uh space not necessarily turning all heads but definitely some heads and um I love you know being comfortable in in in their skin and not afraid to to be a bit sexy and um and charming and I always um uh um I always picture him traveling and and um uh yeah and enjoying life not afraid really embracing who he is not trying to be slim or not trying to uh not eat or pretend to not eat just enjoy that lovely uh whatever stake in in the south of France I'm just uh love it now I'm with you I that level and um yeah we are as much as uh that as there's a world where we are accepting more who we are on the other hand with all the medicine going around now to easily uh change body shapes um that's also a scary um a scary thing and also um I don't believe that you could you will be happier in general if you change body types and um yeah okay but it's a big ask to just exp to just um accept yourself who you are it is it's not uh yeah but it's it's very empowering if you can do it and you find a way to it I know I know and even if it just works for one day a week it's fine like you know it's why I think I my passion has been about underneath everything else we do that if we can get what we look like right in and as we are and build that confidence um you don't have to change exactly you'll be fine yeah you'll be yeah and you'll find that person that fits to you and you'll find that that path in life as much as not everything is easy but it it will be easier once you kind of embrace who you are I would say yeah I think you're right I I really truly think you're right.

SPEAKER_01 34:29

Um Carlin this has been lovely I really lovely getting to know you a little bit about your background and some wonderful advice about how we can look better and more confident whatever we're wearing. So thank you and uh thank you so much Richard for having me.

SPEAKER_00 34:45

It was really exciting.

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No it's great it's really great. Please head over folks to mrmainman.com that's mr withitjustmrmainman.com um to take a look at all the wonderful stuff that Carlin and the team are creating um I kind of know that there's more coming so keep an eye on it if you don't see something on the site right now um Carlin is working feverishly on other designs other styles other clothing items so it's a growing and evolving brand um that if you start to get to love now you really will um be able to keep up with them and get new stuff and new stuff as uh as the the year and the years progress. So just follow follow along and if there's something not quite there yet there will be I'm I'm sure of it. Just to check in with you Carlin I'm saying available for shipping all over the world pretty much yes um we are yeah exactly and one thing we can uh we can offer to all listeners to the podcast is your our special um discount code for 15% it's uh Mr well it's m Mr M M so Mr Mainman so M R M friends all capitals all um all uh one word one word I have to say fantastic mr I'll put that out we'll we'll put that in the notes and the we'll check uh yeah all those lovely things um so thank you thank you so much folks I'll be back soon with another great episode please head over to us and give us a review click like and subscribe and I'll see you soon with another great guest by Richard thank you so much for having me take care